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    Quote Originally Posted by emoo125 View Post
    A light-bulb went off for me when you mentioned the Dr Bronners! I remember trying to use that as a shampoo once when experimenting with more natural products and also getting some icky build-up. If you have really hard water and don't rinse with ACV or lemon juice after washing with the soap, it will leave soap scum behind on your hair...and will probably also do this to some extent in soft water as well. I imagine African black soap would also act this way.
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    Emoo125 and (^(oo)^), thank you both so very much! I'm going to the store right now to pick up a nice, non-natural, shampoo When I get back, I'll wash my hair and update you guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprookjesbos View Post
    Emoo125 and (^(oo)^), thank you both so very much! I'm going to the store right now to pick up a nice, non-natural, shampoo When I get back, I'll wash my hair and update you guys!
    I hope that that's going to clear your hair without much effort. Fingers crossed, eh? Clarifying is always the first answer in situations such as this one, so I hope all goes well!

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    I agree with you Lapushka. I always clarify my hair/scalp when an issue comes around, but I always use baking soda and ACV to do so. Guess that wasn't the best move ever made

    So, I went to the store and picked up these:

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    I didn't know what to get, so I just went with a brand that I think is okay, is for wavy/curly hair and had the ingredients in it that Firefox7275 mentioned. When I got home, I first made a scalp treatment (with the juice of 1 grape fruit, 1 lemon and 4 tablespoons of coconut oil, combined with a little bit of rosemary oil and tea tree oil. I've used it before and I love it! So no more baking soda/ACV for me anymore, this is way better, it only takes a little bit more time), applied it, left it in my hair for 10 minutes or so, went into the shower, rinsed my hair with water, applied a ton of conditioner, washed the whole thing out, used the shampoo I bought, massaged it into my scalp and hair very well, rinsed it out, used the conditioner, rinsed it out, let my hair air dry and tada, the waxy stuff is gone! I do miss how my hair looked yesterday though It looked so full and thick and with wonderful waves and curls, but oh well, my hair felt and smelt awful!

    So, what do you guys think, do I need to stick with the sulfate shampoo, or can I just go back to the sulfate free one and just use the sulfate one when I need to clarify my hair and scalp?

    Thank you all so much for your tips!
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    So glad to hear it cleared up, Sprookjesbos! What a pain in the butt. Sometimes it's so hard to find a good routine....

    It sounds like the sulfate shampoo worked great for you - which is the case for many folks, I think, despite all the hullabaloo you hear about sulfates these days! I don't think it would necessarily hurt to keep using it - the product doesn't appear to be labeled specifically as a clarifying shampoo (which generally you shouldn't use everyday because those tend to be harsher), so I think you'd be safe for the most part. As a general rule, though, sulfates can also be drying and send sebum production into overdrive for some folks, so just be on the look-out for that. In my case, I tend to be kinda sensitive to sulfates, so I would probably use the sulfate-free one most days and then keep the sulfate one around just in case something came up.
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    Should add - you may not necessarily need to shampoo everyday, either. Just something to keep in mind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprookjesbos View Post
    I'm usually not using baking soda and ACV, I only used it because I thought it might help with the wax. Sorry if that wasn't clear

    It's mostly my roots and a little bit less on the rest of my hair (the very tips of my hair are not waxy). I usually wash my hair with either Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap, African Black soap or a sulfate free shampoo (Inecto, the coconut one).

    Thank you all for your tips Firefox7275, yes, I'm using Dr. Bronners or African Black soap. I have very soft water though. Tomorrow, I'll be going to the store to find a shampoo with some of the ingredients you recommend. I always thought going natural was the way to go for me, but now my scalp seems to be freaking out, I'm open to all suggestions and willing to try any thing!
    If the build up is near your roots then the problem is either waxy sebum that your current shampoo method is not shifting (or even causing), or build up from your current shampoo method. Either way seems to me changing off soap might be worth trying, doesn't particularly sound like the issue is actually with your conditioner or oils you apply or whatever.

    "Another very important ingredient to avoid for long, curly hair especially is soaps. In the past, I have written an article cautioning users of soap to be careful, but basically concluding that it was probably okay to use soaps with an acidic rinse and lots of moisturizing agents. Based on the following information obtained from the research of Dr. Ali Syed (a hair care researcher who specializes in African and curly hair), I cannot in good conscience advocate use of any soap products on curly hair.

    Soap molecules are salts of fatty acids found in plants and animal fats. They are somewhat alkaline and cause the hair to swell and the cuticle to raise up away from the surface of the hair shaft. These molecules are then able to penetrate through the cuticle and into the CMC where they neutralize the fatty acids in the lipid layer, rendering them water soluble. The fatty acids are then rinsed away in the shower and are gone forever. Use of soap to cleanse one’s hair, especially long curly hair, seems to be a really effective way of permanently destroying the cuticle layer and making the hair very highly porous. This is an example of why natural may not always be superior. It is no surprise that researchers have invested years and many millions (billions) of dollars to develop more gentle cleansers for our hair
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    Alkaline soap is not really natural, it is made by chemical reaction often in a factory. If you enjoy DIY more natural alternatives include soapnuts or soapwort extract (I believe both are mildly acidic so respect the skin's protective acid mantle, have been used in personal hygiene since the stone age), OR a shampoo that might contain a manmade surfactant but considers scalp health and hair structure. If i was in the market for a shampoo I'd try Komaza Care Moja: pH 4.5, gentle surfactants, various ingredients found in nature

    "Distilled Water, Decyl Glucoside, Polyglucose, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, CocoGlucose, Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate Behentrimonium, Cetyl Alcohol, Aloe Vera, Guar Gum, Algae Extract, Quaternium 87, Polyquaternium 10, Ceramide, Allantoin, Honey Quat, Lethicin, Aloe Vera Oil, Jojoba Esters, Coconut Oil, Wheat Germ Oil, Nettles, Horsetail, Geranium, Peppermint, Marshmallow, Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Vitamin B3, Pro Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Citric Acid, Phthalates-Free Vegetarian Fragrance, Phenoxyethanol."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprookjesbos View Post
    So, what do you guys think, do I need to stick with the sulfate shampoo, or can I just go back to the sulfate free one and just use the sulfate one when I need to clarify my hair and scalp?
    I'd put the sulfate shampoo into your routine, if not daily or weekly, at least once in a while to clarify... when you need it!
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    Emoo125, thank you for your answer I don't wash my hair every day anyway, heck, if I wash it 3 times a week it's a lot! My hair seems to lose it's body a bit when using sulfate shampoos often. So I think I'll just go with the sulfate free one for most of the part and use the sulfate one every other week or so.

    Firefox7275, I never knew that! Like the article said, I always thought natural was better than not natural! Thank you very much for the information

    Lapushka, thank you for your answer, that's what I'm going to do
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